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Calhoun: City Complies with Open Meetings Laws

Powder Springs' city attorney responds to issues addressed in a letter to the editor this week by Ra Barr.

 

Editor's Note: Below is a response to Ra Barr's letter to the editor concerning open meetings laws in Powder Springs. The letter, published unedited by Patch, is by City Attorney Richard Calhoun and is addressed to Mayor Pat Vaughn and the City Council. The actual letter is attached as a PDF and includes documents referenced in the first paragraph below.

Dear Mayor Vaughn and Council Members:

In the attached correspondence, which I believe is self explanatory, we have previously addressed Mr. Barr’s concerns with the conduct and minutes of city council meetings. I would also add that I have received no response to the request made in the second page of my letter to Mr. Weber, for specific examples of conduct which he believes contravene the open meetings law.

With respect to Mr. Barr’s position that the minutes of agenda work sessions should be more comprehensive, the open meetings statute requires only that a written summary of the subjects acted on, and those members present, be made available, and that minutes of meetings contain the names of the members present, a description of each motion or other proposal made, and a record of all votes. See, Cardinale v. City of Atlanta 308 Ga App. 234 (2011) (neither city nor its officials violated the open meetings act by refusing to provide additional information about vote concerning public comment rules).

The City’s records comply with, and often exceed these requirements. To the extent any “polling” may occur, such action is not binding on anyone, and in no sense constitutes a “vote” or “official action”. Camden County v. Haddock 271, GA 664 (1999) (perceived consensus of members of governing body not equivalent to vote or official action)

The fact that the council’s work sessions are conducted in a conference room in city hall as opposed to the council chambers is not unusual. Cobb County, Smyrna, and Kennesaw all hold their agenda meetings in conference rooms with limited seating. In Harms v. Adams, 238 Ga. 186 (1977), the Georgia Supreme court held that meetings conducted in the mayor’s office (described as a “small and crowded room”) did not violate the act because no member of the public was excluded from, or denied admission to, the meetings.  The City’s agenda meeting room is likewise open to all members of the public during its meetings.

Mr. Barr also takes the position that the Saturday morning “Breakfasts with Mayor and Council” constitute meetings under the open meetings law; however I must respectfully disagree. Although the open meetings statute is to be broadly construed, it should not be given a construction beyond its plain intent.

The activity which occurs at the breakfasts is in no sense official, or even preparatory to, any official act or business. The open meetings act speaks in terms of “gatherings” at which any “public matter, official business, or policy of the agency [the City] is to be discussed or presented, or at which any official action is to be taken”.

It is clear that no official action is taken at these breakfasts. Secondly, it would be impossible to predict what questions might be asked by the citizens who attend, so as to call a meeting for the purpose of discussing them. Thus the act’s requirement that the gathering be one where a “public matter, official business, or policy [of the City] is to be discussed” is not met.

More importantly, as I understand it, the conversations which occur between citizens and council members are limited to one-on-one conversations on different subjects, with no common discussion or presentation on any particular subject. The only two examples I am aware of in which all attendees participated as a group (a presentation by a Mary Kay cosmetics representative, and another by a boy scout), do not, in my opinion, qualify as a “public matter, official business, or policy” of the city. The customary purpose of a meeting is to present and collectively discuss specific subjects one at a time. An event such as the breakfasts, at which separate conversations among different participants, on differing subjects occur simultaneously, neither accomplishes the purpose of a meeting, nor fits the description of a meeting generally or under the statute.

It is also significant that in a recent decision, the Georgia Court of Appeals refused to find that a “gathering” of several county commissioners to discuss a recent court ruling constituted a “meeting” under the act, and in so doing specifically mentioned that no votes were taken, no decisions were made, and no official action was taken. Gumz v. Irvin, 300 Ga. App. 426 (2009).

I hope that the above analysis adequately addresses any questions you may have regarding Mr. Barr’s position as stated in his recent letter, however if you should require any further information or explanation, please advise.

Yours very truly,

Richard W. Calhoun

Related Topics: Powder Springs City Council

James Bell

10:15 am on Sunday, October 16, 2011

There are 2 courts here, The state court and court of public opinion. As usual Ga. Laws are full of loop holds. This allows lawmakers to brag that they are doing something about open government while including loop holds big enough to drive a truck through. Mr. Barr's goal should be to encourage as many citizens to attend as many meetings as possible. Public participation will force openness. Let the sunshine in!

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John Q. Citizen

10:57 am on Sunday, October 16, 2011

James, you're exactly right about the attendance at public meetings. Anybody who goes to these meetings or watches the videos of them can see that there aren't usually many people there. Complaining that the city doesn't make records, records, and more records of every syllable that's uttered at a council meeting is an ineffective substitute for genuine public participation. If people really want to get a feel for how their government works and what goes on, then the best way to do that is to show up.

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James Bell

9:35 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

I live in Douglas County and the commission meetings and work sessions are held at 10am, few citizens are able to attend. They brag they we can watch them from our homes, assuming anyone can still afford ComCast. Regardless of how many citizens want to speak on agenda topics our time is limited to 3 minutes. I guess those guy have better things to do than to engage the public. I witnessed a citizen stand and tell the commission how they can save $50 million on the jail construction and was told his time was up. No one else was on the agenda. The sign over the door says "Citizen's Hall" but they want to charge the public over $600 to use it. They don't make it easy to participate!

James

10:23 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

WOW!!
This is absolutely AMAZING!! I have never seen the City Attorneys respond so quickly!! I hope every citizen and business who has had to wait for weeks or even months on a decision from the City Attorneys read this article!
It's like the letter the Mayor sent to the Feds about a subdivision in Powder Springs that has Hiram addresses.
How many years has that neighborhood been built? Is it 10 years or longer? But it just now becomes an issue during an election year when the Mayor has opposition?
Mr. Calhoun said himself that the open meetings statue is to be "broadly contrued", so of course from him it will certainly be "construed" to the citys benefit. Powder Springs taxpayers should get a copy of the budget and see for themselves what the city pays Brock, Clay, Calhoun & Wilson just for a retainer! What you see in the budget is JUST the retainer. It cost us, the taxpayers, extra for Mr Calhoun's response to Ra Barrs comment. Actually, get a copy of the budget for the last few years. See just how much Mayor Vaughns EGO has cost the taxpayers.

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I Get It

11:04 am on Monday, October 17, 2011

Spot on, Mr. Bell, et al.

Both the Mr. Calhoun and Mr. Barr’s opinions are based on Georgia Laws. Who is correct is up for debate. As a good attorney should do for his client, Mr. Calhoun does an outstanding job stating that the city is doing what it needs to do regarding the Open Meetings. But his is just one attorney’s opinion. It is not the final say. Another attorney will interpret the law differently. The courts will have it’s own opinion. And as active citizens, Mr. and Mrs. Barr are questioning these laws. That's how our system is set up.

In an era where citizen’s are demanding more government transparency and where the technology exist to deliver information, it would not kill the our public officials to do a little more in this area.

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JIM

1:08 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Looks to me like Mr and Mrs Barr need to get a life!

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I Get It.

1:47 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

JIM,

I'm surprised you have internet reception in your cave. Are you able to string together a complete thought that adds value and serious commentary to the discussion? Council would love nothing more than the Barr's to backoff so they can continue with their practice of treating citizens on a "need to know" basis.

As you like to say, please add facts to back up your comments. Being a lap dog, my friend, is no way to go through life.

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JIM

10:24 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Everything is available and open to the public, but you can"t get your big A up long
enough to do anything but complain

Kathy

11:30 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Ouch, we sure are getting testy here, aren't we? Wouldn't it be simpler if we just admitted that Mr. Barr and chief Richardson both have axes to grind with the city?
Mr. Barr got out hustled by another candidate in the last election, and Mr Richardson was too free with city property. They both suffered the normal consequences from that kind of action/inaction, and they're just mad at city hall. They see the upcoming election as their chance to even the score, and expect the voters to join them in their revenge-a-thon.
I may be just some dumb blonde, but the camouflage ain't working. Mr Barr never had a problem with the way city business was handled while he was on the council, and neither did the chief.

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CIty Dweller

8:22 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Kathy - I believe the chief did have problems with the way the city was being run, but had the common sense not to speak out about his employer. Now, he is doing what everyone who knows the truth has advised him to do - try to change it. There are people employed by the city right now that have plenty to say but are in fear for their jobs, and if you can't understand how that could be possible then you may be a dumber blonde than you think.

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